QUICK CUTS: SUPERMAN
Featuring Michael Arruda, L.L. Soares, Peter Dudar, and Daniel Keohane
MICHAEL ARRUDA: With the release of MAN OF STEEL (2013) this past weekend, tonight on QUICK CUTS we’re talking some Superman. Joining L.L. Soares and myself on tonight’s panel are Peter Dudar and Daniel Keohane.
First question, gentlemen, who’s your favorite Superman? George Reeves? Christopher Reeve? Brandon Routh? Kirk Alyn? Dean Cain? Tom Welling
L.L. SOARES: I guess my favorite Superman would have to be Christopher Reeve, only because I haven’t seen Henry Cavill yet.
ARRUDA: Not a George Reeves fan?
SOARES: I really enjoyed the George Reeves SUPERMAN TV show as a kid. It was really campy, and if you watch the show now, it’s even funnier. The storylines made no sense at all.
George Reeves in the 1950s TV series THE ADVENTURES OF SUPERMAN
DANIEL KEOHANE: Oh, I still have such fond memories of the old George Reeves SUPERMAN television show.
SOARES: Good for you! What do you want, a medal?
KEOHANE: I would run and leap in the air onto the couch making that flying shooshing sound to recreate the guy jumping out of the Daily Planet window.
SOARES: What a goober! I bet you still pretend to be Superman when no one’s looking.
KEOHANE (laughing): No, it’s been a while since I leapt onto my couch trying to be Superman. Although I used to struggle whenever I walked by a phone booth—.
ARRUDA: Lucky for you, there aren’t too many of those left. No one’s into Tom Welling?
KEOHANE: I assume Welling is the new guy?
Tom Welling as a different kind of Superman on the TV show SMALLVILLE.
ARRUDA: No. He played Superman in SMALLVILLE.
SOARES: I tried several times to get into SMALLVILLE, but it just didn’t grab me. I thought it was boring. And I didn’t care for Welling all that much.
ARRUDA: I liked what I saw of SMALLVILLE, although I didn’t follow the show towards the end.
PETER DUDAR: I remember being a kid and having my dad take me to see the 1978 Alexander Salkind/Richard Donner version of SUPERMAN. Christopher Reeve was larger than life on the silver screen, both as the bumbling, mild mannered Clark Kent and as the confident bastion of non-religious righteousness that was Superman.
SOARES: Confident bastion of non-religious righteousness? What is this, a college lecture?
DUDAR: If you can’t handle the big words, I’ll be happy to dummy it down for you.
SOARES: Dummy this down. (Raises his middle finger to his forehead.). Speaking of dummies, where’s Lil’ Stevie? I thought he was the brains of your outfit?
DUDAR: I was six years old at the time I saw SUPERMAN; an age far too young to grasp either dramatic acting performances or the criminal genius of Lex Luthor’s (Gene Hackman) sinister real-estate plans. What I do remember was the man in the blue uniform and red cape who could fly and break through steel doors and somehow managed to make the earth turn backwards until time regressed and Lois Lane was saved from dying in the earthquake.
Christopher Reeve as Superman
ARRUDA: I saw SUPERMAN at the movies too, though I was a bit older than you when I saw it.
SOARES: Same here.
ARRUDA: Christopher Reeve is my favorite Superman, as well. Not only did he make a believable and likeable Superman, but he also was hilarious as Clark Kent.
I’ve always thought that Reeve never received enough recognition for his role as Superman. I remember back in the day critics were none to kind to Reeve. It’s a shame that it took a horse riding accident which left him paralyzed and eventually killed him to really make people take a good hard look at his acting achievements.
I will say that I recently watched a bunch of episodes of the ADVENTURES OF SUPERMAN TV show, and I was really impressed with George Reeves’ performance as Superman.
SOARES: Sit down, Dan! Don’t go leaping off your chair now!
KEOHANE: It’s a bird, it’s a plane, it’s—.
ARRUDA: The first season of the George Reeves show, in black and white, was the best. It was far superior to the subsequent seasons in color, as these latter seasons were geared more for kids and were often silly. The first season had some pretty cool episodes.
SOARES: Great Caesar’s Ghost!
ARRUDA (laughing): That’s my favorite line from the series! Good old Perry White.
But I still prefer Christopher Reeve as Superman, and he gets my vote for being the best.
SOARES: I guess I was never a big enough Superman fan to really care. Reeve wins by default. I don’t think his Superman was all that amazing, but it’s probably the best we’ve had so far.
KEOHANE: I thought Christopher Reeve was a good Superman too, but to be honest, I’m still traumatized by that first movie’s slow, terrifying death of Lois Lane, even if she did get saved by the Big Guy turning back time – though the car should have still fallen into the crack in the earth after he saved her. That mistake always pissed me off.
I have no idea who Kirk Alyn was – was he the original pre-Reeves guy?
Kirk Alyn played Superman in movie serials from 1948 and 1950.
ARRUDA: Yep. He starred in two Superman serials, in 1948 and 1950, which predated the George Reeves TV show by a few years. Alyn actually has a cameo in the Christopher Reeve SUPERMAN movie. He’s in that brief scene on the train, where we see little Lois Lane with her parents, her dad played by Alyn, and her mom played by Noel Neill who played Lois Lane on the George Reeves TV show.
SOARES: I actually think Brandon Routh was the most underrated Superman. I actually liked him a lot in the role, and didn’t mind his movie all that much, but it has been put down so much that he’ll never play the role again. But I liked him, and would have liked to see him in some sequels. He got robbed.
ARRUDA: Yeah, I agree with you about Routh. I didn’t like SUPERMAN RETURNS (2006) all that much, but it wasn’t Routh’s fault. He was good in it.
Brandon Routh in SUPERMAN RETURNS (2006)
KEOHANE: I like the look of the guy in the new movie. Superman with a beard is kind of cool. How can he shave, though?
SOARES: Kryptonite Razors?
ARRUDA: Good question! I should have asked it for this panel.
Instead, our next question is:
What’s your favorite SUPERMAN movie? Or TV show, if that’s your preference?
KEOHANE: My favorite Superman movie is a tie between SUPERMAN III (1983) with Richard Pryor and SUPERMAN IV: THE QUEST FOR PEACE (1987).
ARRUDA: Are you nuts?
KEOHANE: No, no— I’m just kidding.
I still twitch a little thinking of those, though SUPERMAN III had some cute parts in it.
SOARES: Superhero movies shouldn’t be cute.
ARRUDA: I’ll say. Unless you’re talking about a kid’s story, cute is probably the last word you want to hear describing your work. “I liked your movie. It was— cute.” Ugh! But that being said, Dan is right. SUPERMAN III does have a case of the cutes, and that’s one of the reasons it’s such bad movie.
KEOHANE: All joking aside, I’d have to go with SUPERMAN II (1980) as my favorite Superman movie. It had a lot of action and was the Superman franchise’s WRATH OF KHAN when you think about it.
ARRUDA: Khan!!! Or, in this case, Zod!!!
SOARES: Okay, you two STAR TREK geeks, let’s get back to the subject at hand, Superman.
My favorite Superman movie is easily SUPERMAN II as well, with Terence Stamp as General Zod. And I totally agree that it’s like the WRATH OF KHAN in that it was the second film in a franchise, and the best of its given series. I thought the first SUPERMAN movie with Christopher Reeve was kind of boring for at least half its running time, as we got his origin again. This is one origin story that has been done to death. SUPERMAN II was a self-contained story, and was all the better for it. After the second one, the series went downhill fast. You can see just about the same exact arc with the 80s STAR TREK movies.
ARRUDA: SUPERMAN II (1980) starring Christopher Reeve is my favorite Superman movie as well.
Terence Stamp as the first General Zod in SUPERMAN II (1980)
I’ve always enjoyed the climactic battle between Superman and General Zod and his two friends, although the special effects are clearly dated now. I also enjoyed the back story of Clark Kent and Lois Lane, as in this movie Lois finally discovers that Superman and Clark Kent are one in the same.
SOARES: It took her long enough! I thought she was supposed to be smart.
ARRUDA: Yeah, those glasses of his aren’t much of a disguise, are they?
DUDAR: If you guys are through discussing SUPERMAN II, I’d like to talk about the better Superman film, the first Christopher Reeve SUPERMAN movie, which is my favorite.
I recall revisiting SUPERMAN every time it appeared on HBO, and then on network television, and then countless times more through syndicated cable stations. With time and age, I found the few moments of the film that could be dismissed as cinematic cheese, like Ned Beatty’s Otis who played out as campy comic relief, but not to the detriment of the film, but as a whole, the film has stood the test of time as one of the great superhero films.
ARRUDA: I would agree with that. There’s also something very cinematic about it, as it plays out on a grand, epic scale.
DUDAR: Yes, and seeing it made you believe Reeve was really flying in some of those shots.
SOARES: You thought he was really flying? You weren’t a very smart kid, were you?
I still say that at least half of the movie is a total snooze.
ARRUDA: I’m glad you brought that up, Peter, as that was one of the taglines from the movie, “You’ll believe a man a can fly.” That was a big part of SUPERMAN, the special effects that for its time were superior to any other “flying” effects before it. Compared to MAN OF STEEL, which has CGI effects that are the same as every other movie with CGI effects, the 1978 SUPERMAN was much more cinematic, much more special.
MAN OF STEEL boasts effects that, while very good, aren’t anything we haven’t seen before.
DUDAR: And Margot Kidder in SUPERMAN seemed to fit in fine as Lois Lane, the street-tough reporter that seemed to melt whenever Superman entered the room.
And let’s be honest…the fact that she couldn’t differentiate between Clark’s glasses and Superman’s never-moving curlicue made her all the more endearing. What the hell kind of reporter is she?
SOARES: A dumb one.
DUDAR: The SUPERMAN sequels went on a progressive downhill slide. SUPERMAN II had the great Terrence Stamp as Zod who, along with his two cohorts, posed the greatest threat ever to Superman’s existence: Three of them against one of him. The odds alone are enough to create massive tension.
The film delivered terrific special effects and a storyline that was filled with drama based on the character arcs of Clark, who was ready to give up being Superman to follow his passion for Miss Lane; Lois, who finally embraces her inner bitch at the end and slugs one of the baddies right in the kisser; and Lex Luthor, the returning Hackman, who is willing to “kneel before Zod” in order to rid the world of Superman…talk about putting your pride in check!
This is a cool movie and worthy sequel, but it never captures the heart of the first film.
Henry Cavill as the new version of Superman in MAN OF STEEL.
ARRUDA: Perhaps, but it’s just so much damned fun that I’ve always liked it a wee bit more than the first SUPERMAN.
SOARES: Yeah, SUPERMAN II is better than the first one because it has General Zod in it.
As for Gene Hackman as Lex Luthor, wasn’t he like in every single Christopher Reeve SUPERMAN movie?
ARRUDA: He’s not in SUPERMAN III, but he’s in I, II, and IV.
SOARES: Enough was enough! He wasn’t so great that we needed him involved in every plot. In fact, I thought he was second-rate compared to a villain like Zod.
Luthor was supposed to be the smartest man in the world (the big brain vs. Superman’s brawn), but I never once believed that about Hackman’s performance. He wasn’t so smart, he was more like a glorified Damon Runyon character. His version of Luthor was just so-so.
And what bugs me the most is that there were so many other villains from the comics who deserved screen time more than Hackman’s Luthor—like Brainiac or the Space Parasite, or later on, Doomsday. And Superman had some really absurd/surreal villains that would be terrific in a movie: Bizarro Superman—and all of Bizarro World—.and Mr. Mxyzptlk top my list of characters I would most like to see in a Superman movie.
ARRUDA: I agree. Bring on the other villains!
DUDAR: The other sequels are instantly forgettable, other than noting that Richard Pryor appeared in SUPERMAN III.
SOARES: That “cute” movie which Dan loves so much!
KEOHANE: No, no.
Before we move on from this question, I’d just like to give a special nod to George Reeves’ black and white TV show for the fond memories and his perfect Clark Kent.
SOARES: Didn’t we discuss George Reeves already? Why are we going back to him now?
KEOHANE: Because I chose SUPERMAN II as my favorite Superman movie, but I want to give a nod to the George Reeves TV show, too.
ARRUDA: Dan is right, though. George Reeves did make a great Clark Kent. He wasn’t the bumbling comedic Kent portrayed by Christopher Reeve in the movies. Reeves’ Kent is actually pretty heroic.
DUDAR: I still prefer Christopher Reeve. For me, Christopher Reeve will always be the real Man of Steel…though I am curious to check this summer’s next big blockbuster.
ARRUDA: Tonight’s final question:
What’s your favorite scene from either a Superman movie or TV show?
I’ll answer this one first. I’ve always liked the Niagara Falls sequence from SUPERMAN II. Lois and Clark go up to Niagara Falls for an assignment, and it’s here that Lois discovers Clark’s true identity. After a nifty rescue scene where Superman saves a little boy from falling into the falls, Lois deduces that Clark is never around when Superman is, and she also questions why Superman just happens to be at Niagara Falls. Is it just a coincidence that he’s there, or is it because Clark is there?
Later, to prove that Clark is Superman, Lois jumps into the water so Clark will turn into Superman and save her, but Clark doesn’t do this, and in one of the movie’s more comical scenes, attempts to rescue her on his own as Clark Kent.
And of course the sequence concludes when later that evening, Clark accidentally trips into a fireplace and doesn’t get burned, and at this point Lois has her proof. Clark admits as much, that he is Superman, and they also admit their feelings for each other, in one of the film’s more touching moments.
SOARES: How cute!
I have two favorite Superman scenes. The first one is also from SUPERMAN II, when General Zod says to Superman “Kneel before Zod.” Finally a scene where a character is strong enough to make goodie-goodie Superman kneel!
The second one is not even in a Superman movie. It’s David Carradine’s speech about Superman in Quentin Tarantino’s KILL BILL VOLUME 2. In that movie, Carradine’s Bill gives a long (and wonderfully written) speech where he concludes that Superman thought human beings were simpering cowards, because in trying to fit in with them he took on the guise of Clark Kent, who he played up as a weakling to separate him from Superman. It’s a really terrific theory about how Superman’s alter ego revealed his negative perception of the human race.
KEOHANE: My favorite scene isn’t from any of the movies or TV Shows, but from a rare comic book called Superman Versus Aliens. Supes battling the Xenomorphs from the ALIEN movies was just too cool.
DUDAR: I don’t really have a favorite scene.
But I will say that the soundtrack to SUPERMAN absolutely kicks ass!
ARRUDA: I’ve always enjoyed John Williams’ score as well.
DUDAR: Whenever I’m accomplishing something manly or heroic, that’s the song that leaps into my brain. When I hear it, I am unstoppable.
SOARES: So when you’re writing your novels you’re listening to Superman music?
DUDAR: Of course!
ARRUDA: To conclude, we have a special treat. (Takes out an IPod and begins playing the SUPERMAN theme.)
DUDAR: Time for me to go chop some wood.
KEOHANE (stands on his chair): Up, up, and away!
SOARES: If I have to choose a John Williams score that’s inspiring, I’d have to go with his Imperial March from the STAR WARS films. It’s better than anything in a SUPERMAN soundtrack.
ARRUDA: Well, folks, we’re out of time- thankfully! Thanks for joining us everybody! We’ll see you next time on QUICK CUTS.
© Copyright 2013 by Michael Arruda, LL Soares, Daniel G. Keohane and Peter N. Dudar